TIF result: landslide ‘no’
12th December, 2008
I’m busy writing for the web and the paper but this graphic shows the results in percentage form.
It was a landslide. Bigger than anyone on either side predicted.
The consequences of this could be enormous. Which city would dare hold a referendum on congestion charging now, no matter how much investment is attached as a “carrot”?
But which city would dare NOT hold a referendum, given the outcry there would now be?
Could you add turn-out to that spreadsheet David and actual figures in the bars? Pretty please…
December 12th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
And lets hope they don’t backpeddle by submitting another botched bid and asking for another referendum like they are going to do in Ireland.
December 12th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
An 80% vote AGAINST congestion charging….just as us more ‘optimistic’ anti-toll people said it would be.
12-18 months ago I think it would have been more like a 60:40 split but in these sour times not many are going to vote for a potential pay cut of £1200 a year no matter how it is sold to you.
Food for thought – no road pricing please. Forget it….it’s dead.
December 12th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
A proud day for democracy
A sad day for the MILLIONS wasted on SPIN!
My “behavior change” isn’t going to happy sorry Dicky!
I will be having a celebratory drink tonight, after first giving my car the Italian tuneup on the motorway as lets face it WHAT CONGESTION PROBLEM!
David how much do you tally the “COST” of TIF to have cost manchester Taxpayers so far?
Steve
December 12th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
I think this also tells you that 70 to 80% of the British public are small c conservatives. They’ll always vote for “NO CHANGE”.
Yes I know in those “early heady” Blair years – the Scots, Welsh & Londoners all voted for devolved powers – but there’s not a cat-in-hells-chance of now say Greater Mancunians voting for a Greater Manchester mayor & “more local” politicians, either. (Remember that vote in the North East?)
So where do we go from here? Forever dominated & controlled from London? Back to the “begging bowl” I’m afraid!
December 12th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Marc i’m saving £1200+ a year which isn’t going to private bus companies! I don’t care!
Congestion WHAT CONGESTION?
December 12th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Yes of course its all the fault of the “stupid” voters.
In all areas by a vast majority.
Just for once will the Yes people admit the scheme that they proposed was amateurish and just not good enough to convince people.
Even Manchester voted against where the vast majority will not pay, plus Salford which has the highest % NO when it has the majority of its people inside the M60 Outer Ring. These facts support this opinion.
Look in the mirror and see the money you have wasted on this debacle.
December 12th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
I had a number of hopes as I left Manchester Central yesterday.
(1) The turnouts for the referendum will be reflected in the next election.
(2) That Leese, Smith & Co will realise they were elected to represent the views of the people not try to impose schemes and tell the people we know what is best for you.
(3) That a plan b can be formulated without calls of ‘we havent got any money’.
….and finally I might get that meeting with Richard Leese now.
All in all a happy day for democracy.
December 13th, 2008 at 11:26 am
I think one of the most offensive post-result comments from the Labour leaders of this city is that “there is no plan B”. Why on earth not!? Who puts all their expensive eggs into one basket without an eye on the risk and what else might be acheived. That more than anything else illustrates the crazy approach to this project.
It is now the job of people like myself in the NO camp to begin pushing the government for common sense, and to insist they start backing Manchester properly and making up for the years of delayed funding. Its clear the Labour leaders of this city are incapable of that.
December 13th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Most people realised because it was always obvious, even when you read your ballot paper that it was never A or B but YES or no. The people have said no. End of.
December 13th, 2008 at 9:44 pm